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	<title>Comments on: Apocalypto, Violence, and Spectacle</title>
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		<title>By: Loren Rosson III</title>
		<link>http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2006/12/20/apocalypto-violence-and-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-67996</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Rosson III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Tyler. You inspired me to write &lt;a href=&quot;http://lorenrosson.blogspot.com/2006/12/apocalypto.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my own review&lt;/a&gt;, engaging with yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tyler. You inspired me to write <a href="http://lorenrosson.blogspot.com/2006/12/apocalypto.html" rel="nofollow">my own review</a>, engaging with yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler F. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler F. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Loren... fair enough about the violence. I didn&#039;t find it presented in an exploitative way (like slasher films), it was just ubiquitous. And I don&#039;t think it really furthered the plot.

I totally agree with your assessment of the second half of the film. There was a point when the chase was on through the jungle that I leaned over to my friend and said, &quot;there&#039;s going to be a river and waterfall coming up so he can escape.&quot; And guess what happened, lo and behold, a waterfall?! (Of course, I guess it was different in that those pursuing also took the leap!)

And Ken, I agree, though I don&#039;t think that all violence in film is wrong (and you agree), and the film we were discussing back then (Palindromes) was perhaps an effective use of &quot;spectacle&quot; to make the filmaker&#039;s point (like Eyes Wide Shut).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Loren&#8230; fair enough about the violence. I didn&#8217;t find it presented in an exploitative way (like slasher films), it was just ubiquitous. And I don&#8217;t think it really furthered the plot.</p>
<p>I totally agree with your assessment of the second half of the film. There was a point when the chase was on through the jungle that I leaned over to my friend and said, &#8220;there&#8217;s going to be a river and waterfall coming up so he can escape.&#8221; And guess what happened, lo and behold, a waterfall?! (Of course, I guess it was different in that those pursuing also took the leap!)</p>
<p>And Ken, I agree, though I don&#8217;t think that all violence in film is wrong (and you agree), and the film we were discussing back then (Palindromes) was perhaps an effective use of &#8220;spectacle&#8221; to make the filmaker&#8217;s point (like Eyes Wide Shut).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It seems to me that the film industry is caught up with the spectacle of violence and that such extreme violence and gore in film can not help but degrade all who watch it. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m encouraged by this comment, Tyler. I think you can also simply substitute the words &quot;sexuality&quot; or &quot;immorality&quot; for violence and have another true statement. Indeed, this is the point I tried to make sometime ago in our discussion over Art House Films. I can certainly appreciate that Gibson is a gifted filmmaker, as are many so-called &quot;Art House&quot; filmmakers, but the &quot;spectacle&quot; often far exceeds what is necessary to tell the story effectively. Still, I appreciate this is a relative statement. One of my favourite movies of all time is Eyes Wide Shut which is arguably a spectacle of sexuality and immorality--I would simply argue it&#039;s defensible in light of the purpose of the movie. At the same time, I have seen the unedited and edited versions of Eyes Wide Shut and must admit that the edited version, which conceals a lot of the sex acts in the climatic scene (hmmm... interesting choice of words... oh well), is not really inferior so perhaps there too I must admit the spectacle is more than is necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems to me that the film industry is caught up with the spectacle of violence and that such extreme violence and gore in film can not help but degrade all who watch it. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m encouraged by this comment, Tyler. I think you can also simply substitute the words &#8220;sexuality&#8221; or &#8220;immorality&#8221; for violence and have another true statement. Indeed, this is the point I tried to make sometime ago in our discussion over Art House Films. I can certainly appreciate that Gibson is a gifted filmmaker, as are many so-called &#8220;Art House&#8221; filmmakers, but the &#8220;spectacle&#8221; often far exceeds what is necessary to tell the story effectively. Still, I appreciate this is a relative statement. One of my favourite movies of all time is Eyes Wide Shut which is arguably a spectacle of sexuality and immorality&#8211;I would simply argue it&#8217;s defensible in light of the purpose of the movie. At the same time, I have seen the unedited and edited versions of Eyes Wide Shut and must admit that the edited version, which conceals a lot of the sex acts in the climatic scene (hmmm&#8230; interesting choice of words&#8230; oh well), is not really inferior so perhaps there too I must admit the spectacle is more than is necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Rosson III</title>
		<link>http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2006/12/20/apocalypto-violence-and-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-67470</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Rosson III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frankly I think the violence was way overrated for a Gibson film. Spielberg was more graphic in the sacrifice scene in &lt;I&gt;Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom&lt;/I&gt; (where you actually see the priest&#039;s hand going into the heart, and the camera lingers on the pulsating heart much longer), and Peter Jackson showed more close-ups of decapitated heads being catapulted over the walls of Minas Tirith (in &lt;I&gt;Apocalypto&lt;/I&gt; the rolling heads are all kept at a distance). 

The film left me nonplussed not on account of its violence (I was expecting more), but its pedestrian second half, which was essentially an extended chase sequence -- almost an ancient version of &lt;I&gt;The Fugitive&lt;/I&gt; -- thoroughly predictable, knowing that wifey and son would be rescued at the last possible instant. But I did like the first half for the glimpse we catch of the Mayan civilization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly I think the violence was way overrated for a Gibson film. Spielberg was more graphic in the sacrifice scene in <i>Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom</i> (where you actually see the priest&#8217;s hand going into the heart, and the camera lingers on the pulsating heart much longer), and Peter Jackson showed more close-ups of decapitated heads being catapulted over the walls of Minas Tirith (in <i>Apocalypto</i> the rolling heads are all kept at a distance). </p>
<p>The film left me nonplussed not on account of its violence (I was expecting more), but its pedestrian second half, which was essentially an extended chase sequence &#8212; almost an ancient version of <i>The Fugitive</i> &#8212; thoroughly predictable, knowing that wifey and son would be rescued at the last possible instant. But I did like the first half for the glimpse we catch of the Mayan civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t seen it, but a friend of mine thought of the Spanish as something like the biblical portrayals of Assyria and Babylon, carrying out divine judgment but not necessarily seeing it that way themselves and certainly not doing so blamelessly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen it, but a friend of mine thought of the Spanish as something like the biblical portrayals of Assyria and Babylon, carrying out divine judgment but not necessarily seeing it that way themselves and certainly not doing so blamelessly.</p>
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