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	<title>Comments on: Yahweh&#8217;s (Inexplicable?) Response to Job</title>
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		<title>By: Ken Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late to the conversation (just saw your post in the Carnival), but I think there may be something to John&#039;s suggestion. Job&#039;s accusations run directly counter to YHWH&#039;s, and in fact he essentially predicts chs. 38-41 in 9:16-24. To admit that Job was right at least approaches admitting that God was not. It certainly ends the book on an ambiguous note.

At the same time, I think there is much more going on in the divine speeches than merely telling Job that he doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s talking about. To be sure, the emphasis on humanity not being the center can be seen as a reaction to Job&#039;s egocentrism (cf. especially ch. 3), but God&#039;s control over Behemoth and Leviathan would seem to imply, if nothing else, both the power of evil and God&#039;s mastery of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the conversation (just saw your post in the Carnival), but I think there may be something to John&#8217;s suggestion. Job&#8217;s accusations run directly counter to YHWH&#8217;s, and in fact he essentially predicts chs. 38-41 in 9:16-24. To admit that Job was right at least approaches admitting that God was not. It certainly ends the book on an ambiguous note.</p>
<p>At the same time, I think there is much more going on in the divine speeches than merely telling Job that he doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s talking about. To be sure, the emphasis on humanity not being the center can be seen as a reaction to Job&#8217;s egocentrism (cf. especially ch. 3), but God&#8217;s control over Behemoth and Leviathan would seem to imply, if nothing else, both the power of evil and God&#8217;s mastery of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Biblical Studies Carnival LXI – March Madness Edition &#124; Dr. Platypus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biblical Studies Carnival LXI – March Madness Edition &#124; Dr. Platypus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] West Coast powerhouses took on the book of Job. Tyler Williams wrote about Yahweh’s (Inexplicable?) Response to Job. Duane Smith raised an abnormally interesting question about Job 12:7-9: Just How Figuratively [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] West Coast powerhouses took on the book of Job. Tyler Williams wrote about Yahweh’s (Inexplicable?) Response to Job. Duane Smith raised an abnormally interesting question about Job 12:7-9: Just How Figuratively [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler F. Williams</title>
		<link>http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2011/03/03/yahwehs-response-to-job/comment-page-1/#comment-292064</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler F. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Peter, you&#039;re right. I probably should have mentioned that Žižek was interacting with Chesterton in this section, although there were no quote marks around what I reproduced. My copy of Chesterton was at my office so I couldn&#039;t check to see even if Žižek was taking him out of context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Peter, you&#8217;re right. I probably should have mentioned that Žižek was interacting with Chesterton in this section, although there were no quote marks around what I reproduced. My copy of Chesterton was at my office so I couldn&#8217;t check to see even if Žižek was taking him out of context.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter T Chattaway</title>
		<link>http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2011/03/03/yahwehs-response-to-job/comment-page-1/#comment-292039</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter T Chattaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, the link to Chesterton&#039;s essay seems to have vanished. I&#039;ll try one more time: You can read G.K. Chesterton&#039;s &#039;Introduction to the Book of Job &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chesterton.org/gkc/theologian/job.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the link to Chesterton&#8217;s essay seems to have vanished. I&#8217;ll try one more time: You can read G.K. Chesterton&#8217;s &#8216;Introduction to the Book of Job <a href="http://www.chesterton.org/gkc/theologian/job.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter T Chattaway</title>
		<link>http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2011/03/03/yahwehs-response-to-job/comment-page-1/#comment-292038</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter T Chattaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FWIW, the bulk of those quotes seems to come not from Žižek but from G.K. Chesterton&#039;s &#039;Introduction to the Book of Job&#039;, which you can read here: .

I read Chesterton&#039;s essay several times while taking a course on Job almost 20 years ago, and his rather distinctive turns of phrase leapt out at me as I read the above quotes, so I checked the relevant pages of Žižek&#039;s book at Amazon.com just now to see if he actually claims these words as his own, and the answer is sort of yes and no: he does acknowledge that he is summarizing Chesterton&#039;s treatment of Job, but his summary includes substantial copy-and-pastes from Chesterton&#039;s essay, even outside the quote marks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, the bulk of those quotes seems to come not from Žižek but from G.K. Chesterton&#8217;s &#8216;Introduction to the Book of Job&#8217;, which you can read here: .</p>
<p>I read Chesterton&#8217;s essay several times while taking a course on Job almost 20 years ago, and his rather distinctive turns of phrase leapt out at me as I read the above quotes, so I checked the relevant pages of Žižek&#8217;s book at Amazon.com just now to see if he actually claims these words as his own, and the answer is sort of yes and no: he does acknowledge that he is summarizing Chesterton&#8217;s treatment of Job, but his summary includes substantial copy-and-pastes from Chesterton&#8217;s essay, even outside the quote marks.</p>
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		<title>By: John Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 05:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough, though let me clarify. I am not saying so much that God&#039;s comment in Job 42 is meant to apply also to God&#039;s words in 38-40; but if in 42 God is affirming Job&#039;s words throughout and not the friends, then that at least states implicitly that Job has been right in calling God to account, in calling God out on how God has acted. God in effect is saying yes, Job, your suffering is without warrant. That is the charge leveled against God by Job . . . and a charge, it seems to me, that God indicts himself on. Similarly, while God has provided his answer to Job, that does not seem to mean from the divine perspective that Job has spoken wrongly, as 42 makes clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, though let me clarify. I am not saying so much that God&#8217;s comment in Job 42 is meant to apply also to God&#8217;s words in 38-40; but if in 42 God is affirming Job&#8217;s words throughout and not the friends, then that at least states implicitly that Job has been right in calling God to account, in calling God out on how God has acted. God in effect is saying yes, Job, your suffering is without warrant. That is the charge leveled against God by Job . . . and a charge, it seems to me, that God indicts himself on. Similarly, while God has provided his answer to Job, that does not seem to mean from the divine perspective that Job has spoken wrongly, as 42 makes clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler F. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler F. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting... I never thought to apply God&#039;s comment at the end of the book to his own response from the whirlwind. The actual wording of the verse would make such an interpretation difficult, IMHO.

&quot;After Yahweh had spoken these words to Job, Yahweh said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My wrath is kindled against you [sg] and against your [sg] two friends; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.&quot;  Job 42:7

The context is Yahweh speaking to Eliphaz and saying what he and his friends have spoken is not correct. I&#039;m not sure how it would also apply to what Yahweh said. Or, for that matter, even to what Elihu said (although I think that Elihu&#039;s comments are judged by the fact they are ignored).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230; I never thought to apply God&#8217;s comment at the end of the book to his own response from the whirlwind. The actual wording of the verse would make such an interpretation difficult, IMHO.</p>
<p>&#8220;After Yahweh had spoken these words to Job, Yahweh said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My wrath is kindled against you [sg] and against your [sg] two friends; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.&#8221;  Job 42:7</p>
<p>The context is Yahweh speaking to Eliphaz and saying what he and his friends have spoken is not correct. I&#8217;m not sure how it would also apply to what Yahweh said. Or, for that matter, even to what Elihu said (although I think that Elihu&#8217;s comments are judged by the fact they are ignored).</p>
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		<title>By: John Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m on board with YHWH&#039;s response as one that is meant to humble Job. But I&#039;m unconvinced that is where we stop. Too often, I think, interpreters of Job accept this point that human knowledge of God is limited and leave it at that. The text is saying much more in my view. These thoughts are fresh in my mind, having just taught Job yesterday to my students.

I characterize God&#039;s response to Job out of the whirlwind as essentially a non-answer to anything Job has asked about. It is, in a way, an egocentric word. God affirms a God-centered universe (contra Gen 1:26-28!!!). God shows up and responds to Job&#039;s appeals by saying the equivalent--for two chapters--of &quot;I&#039;m God, you&#039;re not . . . buck up and deal with it.&quot; 

The most important part of the book, I think, is also often ignored by most interpreters, to the detriment of a proper understanding of the book. In chapter 42, on the heels of the response out of the whirlwind, God affirms that the ONLY person who has spoken rightly in the entire book is . . . Job! Not the friends, not the satan, not God. As I put it to my students, if God is &#039;on trial&#039; in Job, it seems to be a pretty bad defense--surely one doomed to failure--to say that the person accusing you is the only one who has spoken truthfully about the matter! 

And so my sense of the book of Job is that it presses us to realize that yes, humans cannot understand God, but what is it about God that we cannot understand? His awesome power, sure. But Job also says that we cannot understand the how or why of many of God&#039;s actions. Or, put another, and better, way, God is not bound by any definitions of reliability that can be counted on at all times; in some instances, relationship with God becomes, inexplicably or not, unsettling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on board with YHWH&#8217;s response as one that is meant to humble Job. But I&#8217;m unconvinced that is where we stop. Too often, I think, interpreters of Job accept this point that human knowledge of God is limited and leave it at that. The text is saying much more in my view. These thoughts are fresh in my mind, having just taught Job yesterday to my students.</p>
<p>I characterize God&#8217;s response to Job out of the whirlwind as essentially a non-answer to anything Job has asked about. It is, in a way, an egocentric word. God affirms a God-centered universe (contra <acronym title="Genesis">Gen</acronym> 1:26-28!!!). God shows up and responds to Job&#8217;s appeals by saying the equivalent&#8211;for two chapters&#8211;of &#8220;I&#8217;m God, you&#8217;re not . . . buck up and deal with it.&#8221; </p>
<p>The most important part of the book, I think, is also often ignored by most interpreters, to the detriment of a proper understanding of the book. In chapter 42, on the heels of the response out of the whirlwind, God affirms that the ONLY person who has spoken rightly in the entire book is . . . Job! Not the friends, not the satan, not God. As I put it to my students, if God is &#8216;on trial&#8217; in Job, it seems to be a pretty bad defense&#8211;surely one doomed to failure&#8211;to say that the person accusing you is the only one who has spoken truthfully about the matter! </p>
<p>And so my sense of the book of Job is that it presses us to realize that yes, humans cannot understand God, but what is it about God that we cannot understand? His awesome power, sure. But Job also says that we cannot understand the how or why of many of God&#8217;s actions. Or, put another, and better, way, God is not bound by any definitions of reliability that can be counted on at all times; in some instances, relationship with God becomes, inexplicably or not, unsettling.</p>
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