Comments on: The Jesus/Talpiot Tomb: Around the Blogosphere http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/ My musings on Biblical Studies, Biblical Hebrew, Dead Sea Scrolls, Septuagint, Popular Culture, Religion, Software, and pretty much anything else that interests me! Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:50:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Luke Martin http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-135550 Luke Martin Sun, 20 May 2007 05:22:16 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-135550 Just an update, there’s a new site on all of the compiled debunkings here:

http://www.TheLostTombofJesus.com

]]> By: Logstaff http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-127394 Logstaff Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:40:58 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-127394 Logstaff said…
I was seeing the moovie recently. I am surprised that the investigators clearly mentionned at the beginning of the moovie that the archeologist found the stone boxes with the bones inside. Also some skulls are standing arround in the corners of the cave. An archeologist has seen all these skeletons and apparently made an inventory of each of it. Here is an unanswered question… Who was that archeologist.. where is that report about the skeletons, and probably where are the drawings or photographs. I would expect that it would have been a routine job at least to analyze the remains in order to find out the age of the person??? Than the comment is done that because of the religious tradition of the jews a reburial was done. Now another question is obvious: I guess that such a reburial is not just done anywhere without inventory… so why is that entire moovie going arround the main trace? I was expecting that a team of investigators ready to scretch the bottom of the stone boxes in order to recover a couple bone chips for DNA analyze (which is a good way to trace all kind of info, for sure)… why such a team of “scientists” is not able to check at least the age of that individual by getting hold of the reburial place.. or to start with of the archeologist file describing the content of the stone box. That is why I felt strange about that theory.. all was tried out to malke the story look probable.. and than the most obvious control wasnt done…
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Also the reburried bones can be now 100% identified, since the DNA must be identical to the DNA already taken out of the stone box with the Jesus Name written on it.
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It would be of cause very interesting to check these bones in order to see if they could have been of a man aged like the Christian Jesus. Than it would be even better to discover the damages done to the bones on legs and hands, ribbs.. whatever.
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But here we expect too much…. Since probably the people who made all this reportage.. already saw the archeologist file.. which they hide in the moovie… that probably.. the bones found in that box.. did not fit the profile of the Christian Jesus… who knows.. maybe they found a guy 60 years old without his teeth.. than the entire story is ridiculous…
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Still an interesting point to mention: Who ever was burried in that precise grave, I think all agree that it is an ancient grave of the period of the christian Jesus. Now what I think is quite astonishing.. is that the symbols hammered into the rock over the entrance door to that tomb.. seem to me looking like some version of ALFA and OMEGA… You know that these greek letters stand for the Beginning and the End of all.. and that Jesus also used them in a speech to situate his mission on earth… so I just wish to mention this find.. this observation which to my surprise even the film maker did not mention.. and it would be quite in favor of their theories… or at least it is quite “greek”.. to put that alfa and Omega in front of a commun jewish grave..
Any Comments welcome!

]]> By: Jerry Derringer http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-107618 Jerry Derringer Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:57:31 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-107618 I think this film is overhyped. You have to figure out who is telling the story. In an interview, the director says he didn’t have to prove anything. It’s a hot story so he was wanting to tell it. Read the interview here:

http://www.donsausa.com/2007/03/how-credible-is-lost-tomb-of-jesus.html

]]> By: Joseph Thimes http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-103072 Joseph Thimes Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:47:31 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-103072 On the Talpiot tomb, there are many fantastic claims made. In reveiwing the TV documentary and the ossuary inscriptions, their claims can be attacked by translating the Aramaic and Greek inscriptions. There are of course transliterations involved. Any successful attacks on this documentary should start with the faulty transcriptions on the ossuaries. Thou not an expert, I can read most of the inscriptions.

There are serious problems with the “Mariamne–mara”, especially the “Jesus son of Joseph” ossuaries. In reading the “mariamne” part, I get “M-a-r-i-a?-e-e-? followed by m-a-r-a”. The “a’s” are shaped differently! There appears to be two letters missing (m and n) where I have my first ?. There is a possibility that the first ? could be a very archair “n” but if so, it is misshaped.

Severe problems exist on the Jesus inscription. First of all, there is no “s” or “sh” ( a shin as tv documentary says) in the word Yeshua as written. What they called a shin (a “k-like” letter) is not an s or sh at all. Closest thing it resembles may by a “k” of some kind. The 1/2-swastika-like figure that the tv documentary shows is Not the aramaic word “bar”. There is no “b” in this 1/2 swastika figure. The last word does resemble Yehowceph (Joseph).

The Maria ossuary has problems. What they call an “m” could be an “m” if it is the last letter of a word–not the first letter. The first letter could be an “s” (samech) instead of the m. If so, then the name could be sarah (however, we have the wrong s for sarah here). In the Matia ossuary, the fist letter could be a mishapenede N or two letters ( a “b” and a ? ). If the first letter is a B, then Bithiah (or batia, bitia, etc) is possible?. In the James ossuary, the fifth letter given is a “b”. But from the photograph, that letter may be a full box–in other words, an “m” as the final word of the name. If this is so, then the name could possibly translate as “jakim”. However, there is an extra letter (the ayin) that is not part of Jakim name.

Finally, the DNA analysis could be faulty from the word go. According to Zahi Hawass, curator of Egyptian antiquities, the reason he is not allowing DNA tests on the mummies is that the pharaoh’s DNA has degraded and better DNA tests with shorter DNA strands is needed. Could this apply to this case? The statistics would vary quite a bit if the tomb is from multiple families.

I have published articles on Egyptology and Biblical research. I do hope to hear from you. Someone should look into the Aramaic/Greek inscriptions. Also, there is much difference in the quality of these inscriptions!

Joseph L. Thimes

]]> By: Matt Jones’ Random Acts of Verbiage » The Lost Tomb of Jesus: Really? http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-102614 Matt Jones’ Random Acts of Verbiage » The Lost Tomb of Jesus: Really? Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:45:27 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-102614 [...] Codex: Biblical Studies Blogspot: The Jesus/Talpiot Tomb: Around the Blogosphere [...]

]]> By: Dr. R. Kirk Kilpatrick http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-101345 Dr. R. Kirk Kilpatrick Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:09:00 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-101345 On the “mysterious” chevron and circle:

http://confirmedword.blogspot.com/

RKK

]]> By: James Snapp, Jr. http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-100062 James Snapp, Jr. Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:13:40 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-100062 Greetings.

I,too, have chimed in about the “Lost Tomb of Jesus.” Besides critiquing the basic ideas promoted by the film, I also point out the anti-miracle bias of one of the scholars involved in the project — one who has posted in the comments above, namely James Tabor.

http://www.curtisvillechristian.org/TombOne.html

]]> By: Dr. R. Kirk Kilpatrick http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-99878 Dr. R. Kirk Kilpatrick Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:39:21 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-99878 FYI please see:

http://confirmedword.blogspot.com/

regarding the “Jesus Tomb.”

]]> By: Fr Alvin Kimel http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-99038 Fr Alvin Kimel Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:14:05 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-99038 Richard Bauckham has now weighed in.

]]> By: Fr Alvin Kimel http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-98278 Fr Alvin Kimel Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:06:20 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/the-jesustalpiot-tomb-around-the-blogosphere/#comment-98278 You may wish to add to your list this article by Jim Davila. It contains a lengthy citation from Richard Bauckham.

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/2007_02_25_paleojudaica_archive.html#117256772472454579

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