Comments on: James Tabor on the Jesus/Talpiot Tomb http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/ My musings on Biblical Studies, Biblical Hebrew, Dead Sea Scrolls, Septuagint, Popular Culture, Religion, Software, and pretty much anything else that interests me! Mon, 09 Jan 2012 22:16:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: potroub http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97953 potroub Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:24:38 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97953 you can claim jesus'name in 2007 and don't get fear to get caught by Romans to be Crucified for mentionning his name... you can delete my posts in 2007 as easy as 123. but you cannot delete the truth And the Truth shall come to all of us when the advent of parousia will demestify not only mysticism that dwells in human circles and often shed only blood. But also demestify their truest alliegence in conjunction with their soul's imprint and their DNA Peace R you can claim jesus’name in 2007
and don’t get fear to get caught by Romans to be Crucified for mentionning his name…

you can delete my posts in 2007 as easy as 123.
but you cannot delete the truth

And the Truth shall come to all of us
when the advent of parousia will demestify not only
mysticism that dwells in human circles and often shed only blood. But also demestify their truest alliegence
in conjunction with their soul’s imprint and their DNA

Peace

R

]]> By: Mindy http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97695 Mindy Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:57:10 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97695 Also Professor Tabor, regarding the DNA testing, is there any methods of determining the age of the family members at death? it would help if for example that the remains of mary show that she is a woman older than jesus.. Also Professor Tabor,

regarding the DNA testing, is there any methods of determining the age of the family members at death? it would help if for example that the remains of mary show that she is a woman older than jesus..

]]> By: Kevin P. Edgecomb http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97694 Kevin P. Edgecomb Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:46:22 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97694 His statistics are manipulated in his favor by his limiting the sample set to the population of Jerusalem. A more likely set would be that of the entire Jewish population of Judea, Galilee, etc. Numerous families will have had the same concatenation of names (200 if my math is right, but I'm decidely not a math guy!). Obviously at least one such family was in Jerusalem. It's coming up toward Easter-time. This "Jesus Tomb" garbage is this year's sensationalist hype-baby. Maybe we should work on one for next year? Something simple, with good graphic potential, a scandalous aspect, and completely independent of both scruples and good scholarship? His statistics are manipulated in his favor by his limiting the sample set to the population of Jerusalem. A more likely set would be that of the entire Jewish population of Judea, Galilee, etc. Numerous families will have had the same concatenation of names (200 if my math is right, but I’m decidely not a math guy!). Obviously at least one such family was in Jerusalem.

It’s coming up toward Easter-time. This “Jesus Tomb” garbage is this year’s sensationalist hype-baby. Maybe we should work on one for next year? Something simple, with good graphic potential, a scandalous aspect, and completely independent of both scruples and good scholarship?

]]> By: Mindy http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97693 Mindy Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:44:54 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97693 This question is directed towards Professor Tabor: I don't know much about statistics but i have a question regarding the testing of DNA from the tombs. Has testing been done to determine that all these family members are related apart from proving that the remains in the crypts of mary magdalene and jesus are not genetically related? are there even any remains left from these tombs? This question is directed towards Professor Tabor:
I don’t know much about statistics but i have a question regarding the testing of DNA from the tombs. Has testing been done to determine that all these family members are related apart from proving that the remains in the crypts of mary magdalene and jesus are not genetically related? are there even any remains left from these tombs?

]]> By: Michael Zappe http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97672 Michael Zappe Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:26:26 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97672 Taking a look at the "Jesus" inscription, it doesn't even say Yeshua, Yehoshua, or anything similar. It says Hanon, or maybe Hanoq. This is nuts. And as to the previous posters comment on the statistics, you've got the right idea. Taking a look at the “Jesus” inscription, it doesn’t even say Yeshua, Yehoshua, or anything similar. It says Hanon, or maybe Hanoq. This is nuts.

And as to the previous posters comment on the statistics, you’ve got the right idea.

]]> By: CB http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97671 CB Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:21:02 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97671 I agree with Steve (above). I put together some points of my own <a href="http://christopherbutler.wordpress.com/2007/02/26/initial-impressions-of-the-jesus-tomb-discovered-in-talpiot-jerusalem/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Also, the name frequencies point is quite valid. Ben Witherington explains this in a post on his blog this morning (<a href="http://benwitherington.blogspot.com/2007/02/jesus-tomb-titanic-talpiot-tomb-theory.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>). I agree with Steve (above). I put together some points of my own here.
Also, the name frequencies point is quite valid. Ben Witherington explains this in a post on his blog this morning (here).

]]> By: Steve Coffee http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97651 Steve Coffee Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:38:39 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97651 The statistical analysis seems to me to be addressing the wrong question. While the stated probabilities may be quite correct for this particular set of names, they presuppose that this is the only configuration of names that would indicate a "Jesus Family Tomb". For 1000 tombs and a frequency for "Jesus son of Joseph" at 1/190, approximately 5 tombs meet the primary requirement that Jesus be mentioned. The secondary requirement is that given 4 names taken at random from the population, what is the probability that 3 of those names would be among the 8 known or suspected names in Jesus' immediate family. If the family names are in the 5% frequency range and my math is right, the probability is about 20%. With 5 tombs and a 20% chance of some similar naming cluster appearing at random, it seems like a closer look at the statistics is warranted. If my SWAG percentages are even close to correct, the entire statistical argument appears to fall apart. Can someone with the actual name frequencies and some statistical prowess comment on this? The statistical analysis seems to me to be addressing the wrong question. While the stated probabilities may be quite correct for this particular set of names, they presuppose that this is the only configuration of names that would indicate a “Jesus Family Tomb”.

For 1000 tombs and a frequency for “Jesus son of Joseph” at 1/190, approximately 5 tombs meet the primary requirement that Jesus be mentioned. The secondary requirement is that given 4 names taken at random from the population, what is the probability that 3 of those names would be among the 8 known or suspected names in Jesus’ immediate family.

If the family names are in the 5% frequency range and my math is right, the probability is about 20%. With 5 tombs and a 20% chance of some similar naming cluster appearing at random, it seems like a closer look at the statistics is warranted.

If my SWAG percentages are even close to correct, the entire statistical argument appears to fall apart.

Can someone with the actual name frequencies and some statistical prowess comment on this?

]]> By: Jamie http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/comment-page-1/#comment-97644 Jamie Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:05:52 +0000 http://biblical-studies.ca/blog/wp/2007/02/26/james-tabor-on-the-jesustalpiot-tomb/#comment-97644 The official site: www.jesusfamilytomb.com The official site: http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com

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